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<title>Change myths</title>
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<description><![CDATA[<p>This <a href="http://blogs.hbr.org/ashkenas/2010/01/obamas-change-management-repor.html">HBR post</a> attempts to evaluate Obama's record on change management, based on a four step model.  I'm instinctively wary of models and this one strikes me as typically trite and questionable.</p>

<p>The first step is to "make the case for change", which seems to assume that change is some rational and intellectual process.  I suppose being a business academic is going to make you think that's how the world works.  </p>

<p>The second step is "Create a vision of what will be different" - another B School convention that sets us up for idealising the future and instead of getting grounded in the present.  I concede that there seems to be a big market for grand visions, but if you want real change, they're quite likely to set you up for failure.</p>

<p>The third step is "Mobilize commitment to change". Ah the <i>commitment</i> word. Again, the idea is that we make a rational decision, commit to it, and lo it happens.  I've been to way too many meetings where commitments are made to have much faith in this.  I call them "commitment ceremonies" and I try hard to avoid them.  </p>

<p>The fourth step is about creating early successes but I can't help feeling this is another set up to avoid really honest evaluation of changes and complexity in favour of a simplistic pursuit of things going to plan.</p>

<p>And I find this sign off pretty patronising:<blockquote>Clearly, there's room for improvement in the President's change management approach. Let's hope that he learns from the experience of the first year and — like the best senior executives — gets better at managing change over time.</blockquote>That word <i>senior</i> crops up all the time in consultant speak and it always puts me on guard. It feels like a status game. I'd call it elitist, if it wasn't such a mediocre tactic.</p>

<p>Hat tip: <a href="http://delicious.com/Dominic_Campbell">Dominic Campbell</a></p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This <a href="http://blogs.hbr.org/ashkenas/2010/01/obamas-change-management-repor.html">HBR post</a> attempts to evaluate Obama's record on change management, based on a four step model.  I'm instinctively wary of models and this one strikes me as typically trite and questionable.</p>

<p>The first step is to "make the case for change", which seems to assume that change is some rational and intellectual process.  I suppose being a business academic is going to make you think that's how the world works.  </p>

<p>The second step is "Create a vision of what will be different" - another B School convention that sets us up for idealising the future and instead of getting grounded in the present.  I concede that there seems to be a big market for grand visions, but if you want real change, they're quite likely to set you up for failure.</p>

<p>The third step is "Mobilize commitment to change". Ah the <i>commitment</i> word. Again, the idea is that we make a rational decision, commit to it, and lo it happens.  I've been to way too many meetings where commitments are made to have much faith in this.  I call them "commitment ceremonies" and I try hard to avoid them.  </p>

<p>The fourth step is about creating early successes but I can't help feeling this is another set up to avoid really honest evaluation of changes and complexity in favour of a simplistic pursuit of things going to plan.</p>

<p>And I find this sign off pretty patronising:<blockquote>Clearly, there's room for improvement in the President's change management approach. Let's hope that he learns from the experience of the first year and — like the best senior executives — gets better at managing change over time.</blockquote>That word <i>senior</i> crops up all the time in consultant speak and it always puts me on guard. It feels like a status game. I'd call it elitist, if it wasn't such a mediocre tactic.</p>

<p>Hat tip: <a href="http://delicious.com/Dominic_Campbell">Dominic Campbell</a></p>
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<dc:date>2010-01-30T12:23:46+00:00</dc:date>
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<title>An approach to wicked problems</title>
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<description><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://innotecture.wordpress.com/2010/01/30/wicked/">Matt Moore has posted</a> a short and succinct paper about approaches to wicked problems.  In my experience, lots of these problems get treated as if they are merely complicated and just need a solution from some (dubiously-qualified) expert.  Here in the UK our politicians seem unable to resist responding to complexity other than by pandering to some celebrity expert: such as Alan Sugar on enterprise,  James Dyson on innovation, and a countless number of Lords on a variety of other topics.  They almost always come back with egotistical, opinionated, headline-grabbing "solutions" that fail almost comically to grasp the ambiguities and complexities of the issues at hand.</p>

<p>Matt's paper succeeds in outlining an alternative that is more sophisticated, without making it sound painfully difficult.  (It's no surprise that he wasn't able to sell it to his government.)<br />
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://innotecture.wordpress.com/2010/01/30/wicked/">Matt Moore has posted</a> a short and succinct paper about approaches to wicked problems.  In my experience, lots of these problems get treated as if they are merely complicated and just need a solution from some (dubiously-qualified) expert.  Here in the UK our politicians seem unable to resist responding to complexity other than by pandering to some celebrity expert: such as Alan Sugar on enterprise,  James Dyson on innovation, and a countless number of Lords on a variety of other topics.  They almost always come back with egotistical, opinionated, headline-grabbing "solutions" that fail almost comically to grasp the ambiguities and complexities of the issues at hand.</p>

<p>Matt's paper succeeds in outlining an alternative that is more sophisticated, without making it sound painfully difficult.  (It's no surprise that he wasn't able to sell it to his government.)<br />
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<dc:date>2010-01-30T11:23:58+00:00</dc:date>
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<title>A couple of interesting posts...</title>
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<description><![CDATA[<p>Rob has a couple of interesting posts up.  He challenges how conversations about <a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/typepad/JyHE/~3/OgVOoVhEHoM/diversity-a-load-of-rubbish.html">diversity</a> reinforce stereotypes, in particular of the white male.  And he describes <a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/typepad/JyHE/~3/tX1OYuARE5k/brilliance-in-social-media-getscreenedpeica-shame-love-and-community.html">an approach to cancer screening</a> that relies on herd principles for success.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob has a couple of interesting posts up.  He challenges how conversations about <a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/typepad/JyHE/~3/OgVOoVhEHoM/diversity-a-load-of-rubbish.html">diversity</a> reinforce stereotypes, in particular of the white male.  And he describes <a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/typepad/JyHE/~3/tX1OYuARE5k/brilliance-in-social-media-getscreenedpeica-shame-love-and-community.html">an approach to cancer screening</a> that relies on herd principles for success.</p>
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<dc:subject>Miscellaneous (everything is)</dc:subject>
<dc:date>2010-01-30T09:41:48+00:00</dc:date>
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<description><![CDATA[<p>Nice post from <a href="http://vivmcwaters.com.au/2010/01/29/space-but-not-the-sort-you-think/">Viv</a> leading to this thought:<blockquote>We act our way into a new way of thinking, we don’t think our way into a new way of acting.</blockquote></p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice post from <a href="http://vivmcwaters.com.au/2010/01/29/space-but-not-the-sort-you-think/">Viv</a> leading to this thought:<blockquote>We act our way into a new way of thinking, we don’t think our way into a new way of acting.</blockquote></p>
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<dc:subject>Miscellaneous (everything is)</dc:subject>
<dc:date>2010-01-29T12:08:10+00:00</dc:date>
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<description><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://vivmcwaters.com.au/2010/01/25/what-is-liminality-and-what-has-it-to-do-with-behaviour-change/">Viv McWaters</a> writes about liminality.  <blockquote>When you’re asking me to change a particular behaviour (even if it’s for my own good, or for the well-being of others, or even the planet) you’re asking me to let go of something familiar and take up something unfamilar. That space between letting go and grabbing on to something new is called liminal space. You’re asking me to enter a space of unknowing, of uncertaintly and of change. Is it any wonder I’m reluctant?</blockquote>Other people's change can put us into liminal space too.  Think of a parent who watches their child playing on a wall of a certain height... do they intervene for safety's sake or do they sit tight and manage their nerves, allowing the child to learn and grow? </p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://vivmcwaters.com.au/2010/01/25/what-is-liminality-and-what-has-it-to-do-with-behaviour-change/">Viv McWaters</a> writes about liminality.  <blockquote>When you’re asking me to change a particular behaviour (even if it’s for my own good, or for the well-being of others, or even the planet) you’re asking me to let go of something familiar and take up something unfamilar. That space between letting go and grabbing on to something new is called liminal space. You’re asking me to enter a space of unknowing, of uncertaintly and of change. Is it any wonder I’m reluctant?</blockquote>Other people's change can put us into liminal space too.  Think of a parent who watches their child playing on a wall of a certain height... do they intervene for safety's sake or do they sit tight and manage their nerves, allowing the child to learn and grow? </p>
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<dc:subject>Facilitation</dc:subject>
<dc:date>2010-01-25T10:51:54+00:00</dc:date>
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<title>Enough reinventing leadership, already</title>
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<p>The title of <a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/typepad/Bobsutton/my_weblog/~3/mN7NHvV5EjE/most-claims-of-originality-are-testimony-to-ignorance-and-most-claims-of-magic-are-testimony-to-hubr.html">Bob Sutton's latest post</a> makes lots of sense to me:<blockquote>Most claims of originality are testimony to ignorance and most claims of magic are testimony to hubris.</blockquote>I share his weariness of efforts to radically "reinvent leadership".<br />
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<p>The title of <a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/typepad/Bobsutton/my_weblog/~3/mN7NHvV5EjE/most-claims-of-originality-are-testimony-to-ignorance-and-most-claims-of-magic-are-testimony-to-hubr.html">Bob Sutton's latest post</a> makes lots of sense to me:<blockquote>Most claims of originality are testimony to ignorance and most claims of magic are testimony to hubris.</blockquote>I share his weariness of efforts to radically "reinvent leadership".<br />
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<dc:subject>Facilitation</dc:subject>
<dc:date>2010-01-21T09:49:32+00:00</dc:date>
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<description><![CDATA[<p>I've just stumbled across Jaron Lanier's op ed from the WSJ: <a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703481004574646402192953052.html">World Wide Mush</a>. It's like a trailer for his new book, <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0307269647?ie=UTF8&tag=openculture-20&linkCode=xm2&camp=1789&creativeASIN=0307269647">You are not a gadget</a>.</p>

<p>I found his argument confusing and a bit annoying.  He seems to suggest that the mass collaborations made possible by the web will lead to a bland aggregation in which we all lose our personalities.  He says<blockquote>I don’t want our young people aggregated, even by a benevolent social-networking site. I want them to develop as fierce individuals, and to earn their living doing exactly that.</blockquote>I find that a pretty bizarre and patronising argument - my experience of participating in social networking is that it contributes my individual learning and growth and I don't feel remotely aggregated.  </p>

<p>(See also <a href="http://www.caterina.net/archive/001216.html">Caterina's post</a> on the same topic.) </p>

<p>Hat tip: <a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/OpenCulture/~3/CUPhkUWYZg4/jaron_lanier_makes_open_culture_a_buzzword.html">Open Culture</a> who say<blockquote>If you think this sounds like Ayn Rand philosophy (see vintage clip) grafted onto tech talk, you’re probably right.</blockquote></p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I've just stumbled across Jaron Lanier's op ed from the WSJ: <a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703481004574646402192953052.html">World Wide Mush</a>. It's like a trailer for his new book, <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0307269647?ie=UTF8&tag=openculture-20&linkCode=xm2&camp=1789&creativeASIN=0307269647">You are not a gadget</a>.</p>

<p>I found his argument confusing and a bit annoying.  He seems to suggest that the mass collaborations made possible by the web will lead to a bland aggregation in which we all lose our personalities.  He says<blockquote>I don’t want our young people aggregated, even by a benevolent social-networking site. I want them to develop as fierce individuals, and to earn their living doing exactly that.</blockquote>I find that a pretty bizarre and patronising argument - my experience of participating in social networking is that it contributes my individual learning and growth and I don't feel remotely aggregated.  </p>

<p>(See also <a href="http://www.caterina.net/archive/001216.html">Caterina's post</a> on the same topic.) </p>

<p>Hat tip: <a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/OpenCulture/~3/CUPhkUWYZg4/jaron_lanier_makes_open_culture_a_buzzword.html">Open Culture</a> who say<blockquote>If you think this sounds like Ayn Rand philosophy (see vintage clip) grafted onto tech talk, you’re probably right.</blockquote></p>
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<dc:date>2010-01-20T10:46:57+00:00</dc:date>
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<title>Management by being interested</title>
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<description><![CDATA[<p><object width="400" height="225"><param name="allowfullscreen" value="true" /><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always" /><param name="movie" value="http://vimeo.com/moogaloop.swf?clip_id=8814983&amp;server=vimeo.com&amp;show_title=1&amp;show_byline=1&amp;show_portrait=0&amp;color=&amp;fullscreen=1" /><embed src="http://vimeo.com/moogaloop.swf?clip_id=8814983&amp;server=vimeo.com&amp;show_title=1&amp;show_byline=1&amp;show_portrait=0&amp;color=&amp;fullscreen=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" allowscriptaccess="always" width="400" height="225"></embed></object><p><a href="http://vimeo.com/8814983">Euan Semple "Changing Innovation" (lift09 France EN)</a> from <a href="http://vimeo.com/liftconference">Lift Conference</a> on <a href="http://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</p></p>

<p><a href="http://www.euansemple.com/theobvious/2010/1/19/changing-innovation.html">Euan</a> has posted his talk from LIFT last year.  Good stuff, including his mini-rant against the costs of pomposity.  I wanted to highlight the last chunk, starting around 12 mins. </p>

<p>This is where he argues that management doesn't <em>disappear</em> when organisations use social network tools, but it <em>changes</em>.  Here's how he describes his role after the BBC introduced a forum and wiki.  <blockquote>I spent a lot of time and a lot of effort <i>being interested</i> in that space, being interested in what people were doing... and noticing things. Much harder work than managing something in a conventional sense. But by being there, noticing and being engaged, I had influence.</blockquote>He talks about this as a fundamental difference in management style.  Makes sense to me, especially with my <i>notice more, change less</i> mantra running.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><object width="400" height="225"><param name="allowfullscreen" value="true" /><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always" /><param name="movie" value="http://vimeo.com/moogaloop.swf?clip_id=8814983&amp;server=vimeo.com&amp;show_title=1&amp;show_byline=1&amp;show_portrait=0&amp;color=&amp;fullscreen=1" /><embed src="http://vimeo.com/moogaloop.swf?clip_id=8814983&amp;server=vimeo.com&amp;show_title=1&amp;show_byline=1&amp;show_portrait=0&amp;color=&amp;fullscreen=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" allowscriptaccess="always" width="400" height="225"></embed></object><p><a href="http://vimeo.com/8814983">Euan Semple "Changing Innovation" (lift09 France EN)</a> from <a href="http://vimeo.com/liftconference">Lift Conference</a> on <a href="http://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</p></p>

<p><a href="http://www.euansemple.com/theobvious/2010/1/19/changing-innovation.html">Euan</a> has posted his talk from LIFT last year.  Good stuff, including his mini-rant against the costs of pomposity.  I wanted to highlight the last chunk, starting around 12 mins. </p>

<p>This is where he argues that management doesn't <em>disappear</em> when organisations use social network tools, but it <em>changes</em>.  Here's how he describes his role after the BBC introduced a forum and wiki.  <blockquote>I spent a lot of time and a lot of effort <i>being interested</i> in that space, being interested in what people were doing... and noticing things. Much harder work than managing something in a conventional sense. But by being there, noticing and being engaged, I had influence.</blockquote>He talks about this as a fundamental difference in management style.  Makes sense to me, especially with my <i>notice more, change less</i> mantra running.</p>
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<dc:subject>Facilitation</dc:subject>
<dc:date>2010-01-20T01:10:08+00:00</dc:date>
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<title>Innovation and control</title>
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<description><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://blogs.nesta.org.uk/connect/2010/01/i-tweeted-the-other-day-that-ironically-the-biggest-challenge-of-open-innovation-seems-to-be-internal-this-tweet-was-prompte.html">Roland</a> at NESTA writes about the problems faced by people in organisations responsible for open innovation.<blockquote>My colleague David Simoes-Brown likes to say that open innovation professionals are on the 'fringe of the fringe' of their organisations. By this he means that innovation teams, if they exist, tend to be fringe departments as they are about disrupting or evolving the status quo, and open innovators are on the fringe of the innovation departments.</blockquote>I think it can be a tough gig to be put notionally "in charge" of innovation in any circumstances. </p>

<p>If you frame innovation as disruptive then you're inviting some to organise disorganisation. There are lots of knotty problems with that.</p>

<p>If, alternatively, you frame innovation as natural and innate, again there are questions about anyone being put in charge of it.</p>

<p><a href="http://keithsawyer.wordpress.com/">Keith Sawyer</a> has interesting things to say about skunk works and other models for innovation departments. I think the short version is that they can work if there is a regular throughput of people from diverse areas of the organisation and from outside.  They don't work so well if they're mostly permanent staff who are just supposed to innovate.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://blogs.nesta.org.uk/connect/2010/01/i-tweeted-the-other-day-that-ironically-the-biggest-challenge-of-open-innovation-seems-to-be-internal-this-tweet-was-prompte.html">Roland</a> at NESTA writes about the problems faced by people in organisations responsible for open innovation.<blockquote>My colleague David Simoes-Brown likes to say that open innovation professionals are on the 'fringe of the fringe' of their organisations. By this he means that innovation teams, if they exist, tend to be fringe departments as they are about disrupting or evolving the status quo, and open innovators are on the fringe of the innovation departments.</blockquote>I think it can be a tough gig to be put notionally "in charge" of innovation in any circumstances. </p>

<p>If you frame innovation as disruptive then you're inviting some to organise disorganisation. There are lots of knotty problems with that.</p>

<p>If, alternatively, you frame innovation as natural and innate, again there are questions about anyone being put in charge of it.</p>

<p><a href="http://keithsawyer.wordpress.com/">Keith Sawyer</a> has interesting things to say about skunk works and other models for innovation departments. I think the short version is that they can work if there is a regular throughput of people from diverse areas of the organisation and from outside.  They don't work so well if they're mostly permanent staff who are just supposed to innovate.</p>
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<dc:subject>Facilitation</dc:subject>
<dc:date>2010-01-19T09:17:18+00:00</dc:date>
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<title>Tangential creativity</title>
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<description><![CDATA[<p>Quite a few people have pointed to John Naughton's article: <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2010/jan/17/lasers-government-funding-peter-mandelson">Lasers would never have shone if Mandelson had been in charge</a>.  Naughton challenges the government's plans to restrict science funding to applicants that can show "demonstrable benefits to the economy, society, public policy, culture and quality of life" (the words of the Higher Education Funding Council for England).  A lot will depend on the flexibility with which such a mandate is pursued, but I fear it will involve lots of rigid and simplistic tick boxes and score cards.</p>

<p>Naughton uses the examples of lasers, which play a vital role in heaps of current technology - but the people who first experimented with them could not have foreseen that.  And presumably could not have got government funding under the proposed regime.  Naugthon says<blockquote>This bodes ill for any scientist or engineer interested in curiosity-driven research.</blockquote>I like that phrase, <i>curiosity-driven research</i>.  It suggests intrinsic motivation, a phenomenon easily underestimated by managerial convention, wedded as it is to the things that can be made explicit, and made explicit now.  </p>

<p>Facilitators often come under pressure to get meetings to deliver definite outcomes on a fixed timescale.  That approach comes with a hidden cost.</p>

<p>(For more of my thoughts on this, see <a href="http://www.johnniemoore.com/blog/archives/000769.php">this post</a> on obliquity.)</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quite a few people have pointed to John Naughton's article: <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2010/jan/17/lasers-government-funding-peter-mandelson">Lasers would never have shone if Mandelson had been in charge</a>.  Naughton challenges the government's plans to restrict science funding to applicants that can show "demonstrable benefits to the economy, society, public policy, culture and quality of life" (the words of the Higher Education Funding Council for England).  A lot will depend on the flexibility with which such a mandate is pursued, but I fear it will involve lots of rigid and simplistic tick boxes and score cards.</p>

<p>Naughton uses the examples of lasers, which play a vital role in heaps of current technology - but the people who first experimented with them could not have foreseen that.  And presumably could not have got government funding under the proposed regime.  Naugthon says<blockquote>This bodes ill for any scientist or engineer interested in curiosity-driven research.</blockquote>I like that phrase, <i>curiosity-driven research</i>.  It suggests intrinsic motivation, a phenomenon easily underestimated by managerial convention, wedded as it is to the things that can be made explicit, and made explicit now.  </p>

<p>Facilitators often come under pressure to get meetings to deliver definite outcomes on a fixed timescale.  That approach comes with a hidden cost.</p>

<p>(For more of my thoughts on this, see <a href="http://www.johnniemoore.com/blog/archives/000769.php">this post</a> on obliquity.)</p>
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<dc:subject>Tyranny of the explicit</dc:subject>
<dc:date>2010-01-18T07:21:33+00:00</dc:date>
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